of the world are addicted to the profits that flow from dirty energy. >> the apartheid movement they knew the separation of people was wrong. >> this requires that moral persuasion. >> i think you are absolutely right. one of the videos is from desmond tootoo and he is an old man now, but it is a very moving video, where he says this is the next great moral issue of our time, and we need to put pressure on in the same way. 350.org works in 191 countries around the world, so we have those images in spades from every corner of the earth, people who have been flooded from their homes, crops have withered, and crops are disappearing under water. >> jennifer: america has to lead, because there needs to be a global consensus, because whatever we do obviously people look at that. it must be a consensus among countries, there is a united nations conference at the end of this month. you have expressed serious disappointment with the lack of movement on the global level. how do you get the nations -- >> so we're -- the un has been almost as in effectual as congress in this issue. we're in the